Another Newbee
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Another Newbee
Evening all
Yesterday I bought my first F, a 1.8 VVC W reg - rescued it from the scrappers in Sheffield and got it back to its birth place, well, Sheldon anyway but that's close enough
Drove like a dream the 80 odd miles down the motorway, but when getting onto the slower roads it threw a padding and over heated. Got it the remaining couple of miles home in short stages to keep temp as low as poss and I believe I've managed to save the HG. I left it to cool for a hour or so and then topped up the coolant and bled the system as described on UlimateMG, let run for 30mins, it warmed up to the right temp and stayed there. Took it for a few spins around the block and all seemed ok.
Now what could have been the cause?
The fan fuses are fine and it seems to be operating as should. I can't find any coolant leaks.
I've trawled through the forum and from other's experiences have ordered a new thermostat, ECU temp sensor and I've noticed the Rad was in a poor condition so I've ordered a new one too. I'll give the coolant system a good flush when changing the rad.
What else is recommend I should check.
Cheers
Yesterday I bought my first F, a 1.8 VVC W reg - rescued it from the scrappers in Sheffield and got it back to its birth place, well, Sheldon anyway but that's close enough
Drove like a dream the 80 odd miles down the motorway, but when getting onto the slower roads it threw a padding and over heated. Got it the remaining couple of miles home in short stages to keep temp as low as poss and I believe I've managed to save the HG. I left it to cool for a hour or so and then topped up the coolant and bled the system as described on UlimateMG, let run for 30mins, it warmed up to the right temp and stayed there. Took it for a few spins around the block and all seemed ok.
Now what could have been the cause?
The fan fuses are fine and it seems to be operating as should. I can't find any coolant leaks.
I've trawled through the forum and from other's experiences have ordered a new thermostat, ECU temp sensor and I've noticed the Rad was in a poor condition so I've ordered a new one too. I'll give the coolant system a good flush when changing the rad.
What else is recommend I should check.
Cheers
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Re: Another Newbee
Welcome to the MGF Register forum
1998 MGF VVC, 2001 Trophy 160 & 2013 MG6 GT TSE
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Re: Another Newbee
I would recommend the first thing to do is change the coolant bottle cap (with genuine MG part). They are only a few beer tokens and have been the cause of many overheating problems. I keep a spare on in the boot and change it yearlyEDD24 wrote:Evening all
Now what could have been the cause?
Cheers
Gary
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Re: Another Newbee
Thanks Keith.
And nice one Gary. I'll get one ordered ASAP!
Edd
And nice one Gary. I'll get one ordered ASAP!
Edd
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Re: Another Newbee
No Problem Edd, I get mine from Brown & Gammoms and was going to send you a link to the cap but i couldn't find it on their website
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... _WuAzrqApg
I know others like Rimmers
http://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/ ... ros.co.uk/
also supply them. both will post.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... _WuAzrqApg
I know others like Rimmers
http://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/ ... ros.co.uk/
also supply them. both will post.
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Re: Another Newbee
Thanks again Gary
I'm familiar with Rimmers - I'm a big Tomcat fan and have had a few of them in the past - the rimmers website was a regular hangout and they've have never done me any wrong.
Nice one
I'm familiar with Rimmers - I'm a big Tomcat fan and have had a few of them in the past - the rimmers website was a regular hangout and they've have never done me any wrong.
Nice one
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Re: Another Newbee
Did you have any problems with rising coolant level in the tank, Edd?
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Re: Another Newbee
Hi Mykel
At first yes - it was bubbling away like a kettle and after it had been left to cool, the level was still pretty high.
But after I bled the system, it evened out and now seems to be ok.
Why, what are your thoughts?
Cheers
At first yes - it was bubbling away like a kettle and after it had been left to cool, the level was still pretty high.
But after I bled the system, it evened out and now seems to be ok.
Why, what are your thoughts?
Cheers
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Re: Another Newbee
Two possible things, Edd, one is nasty and the other one’s worse.
I had this scene on my Wedgie last year, in fact almost exactly a year ago, it turned out to be a sticky ’stat which refused to open. This can be easily solved by driving with the heater on full, as the heater matrix is well able to keep the temperature down, at least in colder times of the year. This will also get you puzzled look from passers-by sitting in a convertible in winter with just a t-shirt. I kept driving like this for about three weeks before the ’stat was changed. An awful job, as it sits underneath the inlet manifold and the engine coolant rail has to come off. And doing it with an alloy manifold (VVC!) is just the icing on the cake.
The other possible cause would be a soft cylinder head with indentures around the head gasket’s fire rings. This would allow combustion gases to enter into the coolant, blowing the whole system up like a pressure cooker. A good friend of mine had that (twice), in the end he had to scrap the old cylinder head for a good one. You could find this out by having a sniffer test done on the coolant. But try the heater trick first, if the problem reappears.
I had this scene on my Wedgie last year, in fact almost exactly a year ago, it turned out to be a sticky ’stat which refused to open. This can be easily solved by driving with the heater on full, as the heater matrix is well able to keep the temperature down, at least in colder times of the year. This will also get you puzzled look from passers-by sitting in a convertible in winter with just a t-shirt. I kept driving like this for about three weeks before the ’stat was changed. An awful job, as it sits underneath the inlet manifold and the engine coolant rail has to come off. And doing it with an alloy manifold (VVC!) is just the icing on the cake.
The other possible cause would be a soft cylinder head with indentures around the head gasket’s fire rings. This would allow combustion gases to enter into the coolant, blowing the whole system up like a pressure cooker. A good friend of mine had that (twice), in the end he had to scrap the old cylinder head for a good one. You could find this out by having a sniffer test done on the coolant. But try the heater trick first, if the problem reappears.
MGTF:
2004 TF 135 in Monogram Spectre, black leather, RHD
MGZR:
2001 ZR 160 in Solar Red, LHD, LPG conv
Classic:
1972 MG Midget MkIII RWA in Blaze Red
MGF Register regional rep for Germany -- germany@mgfregister.org
2004 TF 135 in Monogram Spectre, black leather, RHD
MGZR:
2001 ZR 160 in Solar Red, LHD, LPG conv
Classic:
1972 MG Midget MkIII RWA in Blaze Red
MGF Register regional rep for Germany -- germany@mgfregister.org
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Re: Another Newbee
Thanks again Hykel
All my fingers are crossed that its not a soft head.
From other posts on this forum, it seems to point to the same problems others have had with driving ok at speed on motorways, but overheating when on slower roads. I've done the fan test and they are working, so I'm hoping it is either the sticky stat as you suggested or a bad temp sensor. I've got both parts on order so we'll see. Fingers crossed they'll work - this car is far to nice to scrap.
All my fingers are crossed that its not a soft head.
From other posts on this forum, it seems to point to the same problems others have had with driving ok at speed on motorways, but overheating when on slower roads. I've done the fan test and they are working, so I'm hoping it is either the sticky stat as you suggested or a bad temp sensor. I've got both parts on order so we'll see. Fingers crossed they'll work - this car is far to nice to scrap.