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Re: Massive Thumbs up for MGFREBORN

Post by Martin_Bmth » Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:50 pm

Id trust Daryl with my car for servicing and repairs. Im not sure Id ever get a car rebuilt to the extent some of you guys have so its not a service id take up, part of the thrill is to do restore stuff yourself... even if you subcontract out big chunks of it ;-)

There is H.A.S in Poole, they seem more "main dealer" orientated. Ive not used them, but they look very clean when I visited a few days ago and they have T4 diagnositics, I do know their prices are quite lumpy. :-) Ive personally had more problems with "main dealers" than independents in the past.
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Re: Massive Thumbs up for MGFREBORN

Post by Martin_Bmth » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:03 pm

Geoff.F wrote:I spent 40 years in Industry of which 33 were spent travelling the world advising and fixing engines. The first 7 were years learning how to do it.
There was only one way and that was without mistakes. If I made a mistake then upto 380 souls may be in a hole in the ground surrounded by a Boeing 747. We were not measured on the times that I did it right as that was the expected, One mistake however small and I would be out of work never to return.
That is how I maintain our cars and demand from anyone who does work for me.
These "mistakes" reported are not "mistakes" but a complete lack of know how and Quality of work that may be expected.
Geoff F.
I completely agree with Geoff, A "right first time" philosophy would be the ideal situation.
I Hope this doesn't offend and its quite a serious thread but when I read Geoffs comment over a cheeky Saturday night beer this is what popped into my tiny mind:
Geoff fixes jumbo jets and he feels Awesome!
Geoff fixes jumbo jets and he feels Awesome!
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Re: Massive Thumbs up for MGFREBORN

Post by Martin C » Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:31 am

It is a pity to read this, especially after just reading the full page Daryl has in this months Safety Fast where he talks about others bodges he finds on cars he does subframes on. Then going on to say the work to do front & rear subframes takes 5 days, then 3 days to go through the paperwork -

"We have adopted strict procedures that make sure the major rebuilds go ahead without a hitch. Paperwork is also strict with many checklists to go through. Once work starts the keys to the car are locked away and not realeased until all the checklist are ticked off, the last job being to torque up the wheel nuts. The test drives last around six hours and take in many types of road conditions and surfaces to ensure the car is performing as it should"

A statement that seems somewhat at odds with experience of a few on here, I hope Daryl replies to the posts and that all get things resolved to there satisfaction.
Oh! and in case you are wondering I have no affiliation to MG Reborn or even know Daryl.
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Re: Massive Thumbs up for MGFREBORN

Post by Geoff.F » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:50 am

Martin C wrote:Then going on to say the work to do front & rear subframes takes 5 days, then 3 days to go through the paperwork -

"We have adopted strict procedures that make sure the major rebuilds go ahead without a hitch. Paperwork is also strict with many checklists to go through..
I read this and my immediate thoughts were :

I would not like to pay for 5 X 7 = 35 Specialist Mechanics Man-Hour Rate to do the job plus a further 3 X 7 = 21 for the paperwork to be sorted.
The commonly recognised Procedure is to take a Work Card for the Job listing each stage and to follow it with a tick as each is completed. Some assembly (subframes, clips etc.) will involve fitting, aligning and Torque loading later. All the Important stages, viz. Torque loading, tab -locking , putting in fluids etc. may be printed in Bold and be signed off when done. Relevant Fluid Refs and Torque Loadings are given on the Work Card. 5 Days, Paperwork done,job done, out of the door.
It is easy to make up Work Cards as each job and stage are listed in the WSM or make one up when first doing a Job..

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Re: Massive Thumbs up for MGFREBORN

Post by Softly~Softly » Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:33 pm

andywatson wrote:Jan, it was you who originally warned me about Daryl, I should have listened to your advice. On the surface the car looks OK, but it's the safety issues are the real concern, not tightening bolts is fairly serious. In terms if what he did right, the carbon is excellent but was farmed out to wicked coatings, the paint job is of a high standard, but that was carried out by Twicketts. In terms of work done by MGF reborn the brakes and engine are fitted correctly, other than that there are problems of one description or another with most aspects of their work.

It's not a witch hunt at all but if you pay for a job to be done its reasonable to expect that work to actually get done.

True, but there are parts of the car you are pleased with, and instead of just posting negatively you could have put a positive side as well..
Your car was a major rebuild, you knew that the work would be sub contracted out, yet you choose to still go with Daryl knowing all of this, and Diesel Destroyer also said the same to you in my presence..

I was under the impression that everything was going to be sorted after you returned the phone call or answered the email, either way it seems he is doing his utmost to put things right, does it not ?

Re the safety issues, if you are that worried by them why are you stlll driving the car ?
I most certainly would not be if it was a "Safety issue" as stated, or has that been fixed now ?

Every mechanic who has a forum presence upsets someone, at some time, we have seen it again and again, in fact the only person who seems to do no wrong is Russel, the sad thing is that when it gets posted on the internet it can ruin that persons livelihood, and I am not just on about Daryl ..

Maybe when every avenue has been explored first, and an unsatisfactory outcome has been arrived at, a post could go up, but when it is still being dealt with it, it seems a tad unfair ..
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Re: Massive Thumbs up for MGFREBORN

Post by NigelS » Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:34 pm

kevpem wrote:Are there any other servicing companies in Dorset or Hampshire that people recommend?
To pick up your question, I use Sportomotive (http://www.sportomotive.com/) in Salisbury. They are K-series engine specialists and a Lotus dealer. They have serviced my car for many years, changed the head gasket & also done all of the suspension modifications for track work. I highly recommend them, & they do a lot of work on F's & TF's.
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Re: Massive Thumbs up for MGFREBORN

Post by andywatson » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:45 am

Softly~Softly wrote:
andywatson wrote:Jan, it was you who originally warned me about Daryl, I should have listened to your advice. On the surface the car looks OK, but it's the safety issues are the real concern, not tightening bolts is fairly serious. In terms if what he did right, the carbon is excellent but was farmed out to wicked coatings, the paint job is of a high standard, but that was carried out by Twicketts. In terms of work done by MGF reborn the brakes and engine are fitted correctly, other than that there are problems of one description or another with most aspects of their work.

It's not a witch hunt at all but if you pay for a job to be done its reasonable to expect that work to actually get done.

True, but there are parts of the car you are pleased with, and instead of just posting negatively you could have put a positive side as well..
Your car was a major rebuild, you knew that the work would be sub contracted out, yet you choose to still go with Daryl knowing all of this, and Diesel Destroyer also said the same to you in my presence..

I was under the impression that everything was going to be sorted after you returned the phone call or answered the email, either way it seems he is doing his utmost to put things right, does it not ?

Re the safety issues, if you are that worried by them why are you stlll driving the car ?
I most certainly would not be if it was a "Safety issue" as stated, or has that been fixed now ?

Every mechanic who has a forum presence upsets someone, at some time, we have seen it again and again, in fact the only person who seems to do no wrong is Russel, the sad thing is that when it gets posted on the internet it can ruin that persons livelihood, and I am not just on about Daryl ..

Maybe when every avenue has been explored first, and an unsatisfactory outcome has been arrived at, a post could go up, but when it is still being dealt with it, it seems a tad unfair ..
Jan, at this point in time Daryl has had the car for a total of 4.5 months, he had it originally for nearly 4 months and then a further 3 weeks to rectify all of the faults, unfortunately many of the faults it went back for are still their and since getting it back new faults have developed. Daryl will have the car back for one final time this week in an attempt to rectify the remaining issues. Just to clarify, I am happy with all of the sub contracted work, it's Daryl's work which is questionable.

All of the safety issues that have arisen to date have been dealt with by me, for which I will be seeking compensation from Daryl for my expenditure. The reason I went with Daryl in the first place was because he gave me complete reassurance that he had the skills to do this job, unfortunately these claims do not seam to have had to much substance.

I am also not the only person to have had issues with Daryl's work, the original poster of this thread has issues despite the title of the thread. The issues with his work are spread across 3 forums to my knowledge. All I want is the car I paid for nothing more, nothing less, it's not to much to ask. I am sure you would feel differently if you were subjected to the standard of work that the people on this thread have been. You know me an it takes an awful lot to get me annoyed, i'm very easy going and tend to let a lot of things go, but somethings are just unacceptable, for me to be this unhappy you need to read between the lines and realise theres a lot more wrong with the car than what I have posted.

I notice that Daryl has stated in Safety Fast that every car undergoes a substantial check list before being handed back to the client, to this date I have not seen my checklist, I would be most interested to see the signature of the person who checked my shocks, hub adapters and subframes. This is the last I will post on this thread until Daryl returns my car, If the car comes back in a satisfactory standard I will be happy to share this with the forum.

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Re: Massive Thumbs up for MGFREBORN

Post by Softly~Softly » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:37 pm

andywatson wrote: This is the last I will post on this thread until Daryl returns my car, If the car comes back in a satisfactory standard I will be happy to share this with the forum.
Thank you, a post on the final outcome would be most interesting :thumbsu:
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Re: Massive Thumbs up for MGFREBORN

Post by GeoffW » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:54 pm

Following on and my rear sub frame has been fixed, Daryl has kindly said he will replace the subframe bolts with
harder ones and give my car a free service next time,I feel better now and I am sure that Daryl has learned from
sub contracting out, perhaps it would benefit if he had someone work with him in his own work shop .
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Re: Massive Thumbs up for MGFREBORN

Post by colintf » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:29 pm

Glad it's sorted Geoff
Hope to see you soon somewhere :thumbsu:

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