Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by talkingcars » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:40 pm

The F has a remote servo.
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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by edk83 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:28 pm

Thanks, I'm quite proud of that pic, starting to look like it means business.

I'll look at the balance bar setup as well as these pedal boxes should be ok without a servo. If not it shouldn't be too difficult to mount one behind the center console. Master cylinders are the correct size, there is an option to go one size smaller on the front but that might mean too much pedal movement.

I think the mgf servo is a normal one with a horizontal bar transferring pedal pressure to it?

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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by Rob Bell » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:04 pm

Yes - it is a pretty standard servo with a mechanical linkage making it remote. This is a little different to the "usual" aftermarket remote servo kits that are hydraulically operated:

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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by edk83 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:27 am

Yep, not sure about having one on the front only, I've been told on lighter braking pressure the back wouldn't be doing anything which isnt good. I'm sure I could adjust it so the rear does engage though.

Before I sort the brakes out I have the camber to sort out, the bottom arms are new mgf aftermarket. With the coilovers set quite low it's producing too much camber. I'm going to drill out the rivets and change the ball joints for rover 100 ones, possibly slot the wishbones for adjustableness.

This is after raising the coilovers a bit, still a couple of degrees too much.

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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by talkingcars » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:03 pm

Ah, maestro wheels....
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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by flyingbanana » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:21 pm

Get a mike satur camber adjustment kit.

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Post by edk83 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:19 pm

Have looked at that, much easier to just adjust the bottom ball joints! Wheels are vw Bbs.

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Post by edk83 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:53 am

Well I say easier, the rivets are going to be pain to drill through!

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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by Bazzajay » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:19 pm

edk83 wrote:Well I say easier, the rivets are going to be pain to drill through!
They are fairly difficult, but once done they're done for good. At least, that's what I told myself when doing it on my Montego in the early '90's. Made the job a good deal easier the second time around!
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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by edk83 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:33 am

Well it wasn't too bad, one side done last night. Will try it on the rover 100 joints and if I still want adjustment I'll enlarge the holes in the wishbone and make a couple of spreader plates.

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Post by edk83 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:35 am

I'm going to swap the bolts for stainless ones and put them in from the top as well!

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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by Rob Bell » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:06 pm

Won't you want to have 12.9 hi tensile bolts for this Ed? Not sure AN1 will be quite up to the job, but I am no metallurgist...

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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by Reckless Rat » Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:19 pm

Please DON'T use stainless bolts. They do not have the tensile strength necessary for such a highly stressed location. Use HT.

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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by edk83 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:32 pm

The new rover 100 ball joints came with standard 8.8 steel bolts. The stainless an-80 that I use has a higher tensile strength than 8.8 steel.

The new mgf ball joint I have came with 10.9 bolts.

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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by edk83 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:39 am

Made a start on the other side

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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by Rob Bell » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:46 pm

I've always wondered about slotting the lower ball joint for camber adjustment and whether the ball joint might move under very heavy loads. Is there any other way of locking it other than doing up the bolts FT?

10.9 HT nuts and bolts should be fine. Not sure of the rating of AN1 SS - IIRC they're somewhere between 10.9 and 12.9?

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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by flyingbanana » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:30 pm

The usual way is to slot the arm, set the camber then weld washers to the arm to prevent it from changing.

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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by edk83 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:33 pm

The mini boys like to slot the wishbone, then use spreader plates on top and underneath, works for them.

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Re: Mgf donor car: building an MG Allegro VVC!

Post by Rob Bell » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:03 pm

Ah, now those solutions make more sense - and the welded washer (or spreader plate) is a brilliant idea :D

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