which tyres ?

[Kjeld Andersen]

Hello Rob,

Yes, been a long time. All fine here, and hope the same for you and the Family.

No checks on the car so far, as changing the rears made it strange, so sure
the fault is there. Seems a little better now, as the car has done ca. 300 km on the
new rears, so hope it will improve.

Yes, we will be at MGF20, so hope to see you there, and if you have any
of you good ideas of what to do, please let me know.

Kjeld

[Charless]

Hi Kjeld,
Sorry to hear about horrible handling. I have used at least 6 sets of Japanese made Toyos on 15" wheels (and one set on 16")and would offer two cautions. New tyres on the back with old on the front is always a bit of a handful at first. Secondly there is a layer of slightly different compound on the outside which scrubs off with noticeable improvement after 500 miles even when all 4 tyres are changed at the same time. Take it steady and they will improve... Does the height need attention? Looking forward to MGF20!
Charles

[v8moneypit]

Just had a full set of Japanese Toyo's fitted and they felt ridiculously light at the back. Then I found that the garage had set the rears at 36psi! I've dropped the pressures to 26 front and 28 rear and what a difference!

If anyone is looking for Japanese made Toyo's, mine came from http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/

[slippy]

The issue with the dodgy Toyos only seems to affect TFs not MGFs & only seems to affect 16" tyres.
And Japanese Toyos made from October 2014 are the same compound as the Maleysian Toyos.

[v8moneypit]

Ah OK. I'd read so much about this issue, but obviously not quite enough!

[adrianclifford]

Steve, I would be a little concerned at 28 rears. 26 or 28 front is fine, I've run both but I found the best rear pressure at 34, 36 makes the back end a little light at speed. You may encounter tyre wear on the outside tread sections at that pressure, however I listen to what I'm told and I cannot comment on the "new" Japanese Toyo's.

[slippy]

On a TF with 16" wheels, Toyo recommended 25 psi on the front & 30.5 psi at the rear to try to combat the poor handling issue. Personally I dont think Toyo should be advising people to deviate from MG recommended pressures.

[fatbaldingoldgit]

On a TF with 16" wheels, Toyo recommended 25 psi on the front & 30.5 psi at the rear to try to combat the poor handling issue. Personally I dont think Toyo should be advising people to deviate from MG recommended pressures.

I've not seen that documented anywhere...not doubting you at all but is it published somewhere for all to see?..it might help those who are struggling with mixed Toyo's..

[v8moneypit]

Steve, I would be a little concerned at 28 rears. 26 or 28 front is fine, I've run both but I found the best rear pressure at 34, 36 makes the back end a little light at speed. You may encounter tyre wear on the outside tread sections at that pressure, however I listen to what I'm told and I cannot comment on the "new" Japanese Toyo's.

I read 28 in the handbook, but I might have misread it! I will check again tomorrow when I get up to the workshop. It was running 26/28 on the mixed make tyres and it was fine apart from in the wet when it was lethal (!). With 36 in the rear on the new rubber it was all over the place even in the dry in a straight line!

Edit:
Having said that, when I checked the garage pressures, my gauge was showing 29 front and 40 rear! My gauge and pump both show the same so I am reasonably confident that they are correct. I'll get the garage to check their gauge.

I'll report back once I have a chance to try it out on the road.

[beefio]

My MY2000 handbook says 24 front 28 rear for 215/40/16's so that's what I've been using with no issues...

[colintf]

F pressure could well be totally different to TF pressures I guess

[malcolm64]

On my F i use 28 front 34 rear with no problem

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[slippy]

On a TF with 16" wheels, Toyo recommended 25 psi on the front & 30.5 psi at the rear to try to combat the poor handling issue. Personally I dont think Toyo should be advising people to deviate from MG recommended pressures.

I've not seen that documented anywhere...not doubting you at all but is it published somewhere for all to see?..it might help those who are struggling with mixed Toyo's..

This info was directly to myself by email from Alan Meaker, Sales & Technical Director of Toyo UK. This was advised by his head office in Japan after I complained several times about the tyres.

[fatbaldingoldgit]

Thanks Slippy..

I wonder why the 0.5psi is significant...why not 30psi or 31psi?....did Alan say what testing they had performed to arrive at these figures?

[slippy]

He didnt indicate what, if any testing had been done but he did say they sent a set to Brown & Gammon to try on one of their cars & they felt they were ok.
My issue with that is, the guy who tested them may not drive a TF on a day to day basis, did they compare them to a TF with good tyres etc??
He has now sent some tyres to MG & awaiting their opinion.

[fatbaldingoldgit]

He didnt indicate what, if any testing had been done but he did say they sent a set to Brown & Gammon to try on one of their cars & they felt they were ok.
My issue with that is, the guy who tested them may not drive a TF on a day to day basis, did they compare them to a TF with good tyres etc??
He has now sent some tyres to MG & awaiting their opinion.

Aha..so maybe they will test them..dunno how though since they don't make 'em any more...

[v8moneypit]

There's the 26/28 on 15" rims in Beffios post. That's what I saw in my handbook. I'll run with it and see how I get on.

[zed1]

all sounds odd I had goodyear f1 eagles all round and handling was fine but would tramline something rotten esp. on motorways , had a blow out on m25 on the rear so replaced both tyres with t1r's felt like driving on ice for 200 or 300 miles then fine , then had blowout on front! put t1r's on both wheels now handles better than ever no tramlining steering feels great would 100% recommend them to anyone. only time I've put new tyres on a car and noticed a real difference

[Plezier]

What I am finding extremely odd is that the Toyos have a poor wet rating according to the tyre label and in fact their rating is no betetr, in fact I think it's the same, as the Events that every one lamblasts for beign rubbish Yet people not only rate the Toyos but defend their performance .

Well yesterday I discovered that only one of the tyres that were on the 75th is in fact usable and that is the Nexan N3000 all 3 of the Goodyears are in fact no good at all. The one which was on the rear had a large scallop torn out by the inner rim that has cut deep enough to expose the cords. Impact damage no doubt as the tyre wall is splitting just above the scalloped out bit. So in reality I need a new set of 4 tyres now . The expense just keeps adding up on this one.

So I will steal "Elsie's" front wheels for her and have just managed to get a pair of matching tyres to match the fronts. Then later will have to get 4 new for "Elsie" .

Edit:- Dammit just removed the fronts off "Elsie" and found both are worn to excess on the inner edge so now have to find another 2 tyres and she won't have a matching set after all.

[slippy]

Got my car back to normal now.
Removed the Toyos & fitted a set of Falken ZE 914s. Had a blast up the motorway yesterday & a couple of fast country roads & it feels fantastic. You can feel the road, no wallowing, no tram lining & the back end stays behind you.......which is a bonus!
Toyos on ebay with a caution about fitting to TFs.