Engine Miss fire and hesitation

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Engine Miss fire and hesitation

Post by Alloy » Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:22 am

I wonder if anyone can help.

I have a low mileage (52k) MGF 2001 which I had sitting around all winter sorned. I got it back on the road but it has developed a mis fire and hesitation both when warm or cold. It’s ok for the first minute then problems from then on.

I have changed the fuel filter and taken tank pump out of the tank to clean which it didn’t need.

I bought a cheap scanner and it showed cam sensor and lambda. My assumption was these may show anyway with a bad mis fire as a symptom not a cause. Even so I changed cam sensor and coolant temp sensor. I also replaced coil packs, spark plugs and leads. All have made no difference.

I could go on replacing sensors - lambda, crank, idle control etc but suspect there is a more systematic approach.

Any advice appreciated.

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Re: Engine Miss fire and hesitation

Post by Chris Tideswell » Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:01 am

Is this the MPI or VVC engine?

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Re: Engine Miss fire and hesitation

Post by Alloy » Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:48 pm

Mpi

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Re: Engine Miss fire and hesitation

Post by Barbour » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:29 pm

Perhaps a reset of the throttle position sensor will help:

- Turn the key to position II.
- Give it full throttle 5x
- Then wait 15 seconds
- then start the engine.

Also, a bottle of injector cleaner before a refill helped a lot on my F and TF, old petrol tends to gum up injectors etc, worth a try I guess. Are you running on 98?
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Re: Engine Miss fire and hesitation

Post by Alloy » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:55 pm

Thanks will try that. Premium petrol make a difference ?

Tx

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Re: Engine Miss fire and hesitation

Post by nigelandjo » Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:16 pm

New leads needed possibly. Coil packs starting to fail?
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Re: Engine Miss fire and hesitation

Post by Barbour » Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:03 am

Alloy wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:55 pm
Thanks will try that. Premium petrol make a difference ?
Yes.

Don't use 95/E10 anyway, they don't like it..
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Re: Engine Miss fire and hesitation

Post by Alloy » Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:22 pm

I have unplugged the lambda sensor and the misfire stops so I think I should conclude I need a new sensor. My question is should I bother if the engine seems to work without this sensor plugged in ?

Thanks

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Re: Engine Miss fire and hesitation

Post by Barbour » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:10 pm

Alloy wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:22 pm
I have unplugged the lambda sensor and the misfire stops so I think I should conclude I need a new sensor. My question is should I bother if the engine seems to work without this sensor plugged in?
Yes, it's there for good reason.
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Re: Engine Miss fire and hesitation

Post by talkingcars » Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:20 am

Barbour wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:29 pm
Perhaps a reset of the throttle position sensor will help:

- Turn the key to position II.
- Give it full throttle 5x
- Then wait 15 seconds
- then start the engine........<snip>
It is actually "firmly and fully depress the gas peddle fully 5 times in 30 seconds" and "wait 30seconds".
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Re: Engine Miss fire and hesitation

Post by talkingcars » Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:22 am

Barbour wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:03 am
Alloy wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:55 pm
Thanks will try that. Premium petrol make a difference ?
Yes.

Don't use 95/E10 anyway, they don't like it..
All MGR cars since '96 are designed to run on E10.
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Re: Engine Miss fire and hesitation

Post by Barbour » Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:54 pm

talkingcars wrote:
Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:20 am
Barbour wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:29 pm
Perhaps a reset of the throttle position sensor will help:

- Turn the key to position II.
- Give it full throttle 5x
- Then wait 15 seconds
- then start the engine........<snip>
It is actually "firmly and fully depress the gas peddle fully 5 times in 30 seconds" and "wait 30seconds".
talkingcars wrote:
Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:22 am
All MGR cars since '96 are designed to run on E10.
I stand corrected...
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Re: Engine Miss fire and hesitation

Post by CubMG » Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:12 pm

I had the same problem on my 01 MPI it was the first Lambda sensor before the cat , I bought a replacement and went to a local exhaust center who managed to remove the old one .it needs to be on a lift for access . The car runs better now , Running with it disconnected may cause it to over fuel which is not good.
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