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Hard Top Headaches

Post by S67SOK » Thu May 10, 2012 11:37 am

I collected my latest ebay purchase yesterday, a fairly nice Hard top, black with grey headlining.

It wouldnt go into the very capacious rear end of my Skoda Superb so it had to go on the roof rack for its 250 trek home. :x

When unloaded in the very strong rain last evening I noticed to previously taught headlining in the centre section had gone all floppy and when in place on the car it sags. I think as a result of being whizzed along at 70 ish and probably ingesting rain ( though it was the right way up so to speak). :oops:

Has anyone had to deal with a saggy headlining, any views on the best way to re tension please?

Also - is there likely to be wiring buried away somewhere in my 2000 my 'F' to suit the heated rear screen, I will have to buy a switch and I guess a relay but if the basic wiring is there thats not an issue - otherwise I may not bother ! :x

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Re: Hard Top Headaches

Post by Dingbat » Thu May 10, 2012 11:43 am

Hi, there.

The latest issue of FasTForward gives a good "how to" on replacing the hard top lining - well done Nigel and Jo.

The connector for the Heated Rear Window is buried under the rear shelf carpet on the passenger side. All the wiring is (or should be) there and, you're right, you just need a switch and relay.

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    Re: Hard Top Headaches

    Post by Rob Bell » Thu May 10, 2012 12:12 pm

    Anyone know where to get headlining that matches the original material? I thought Nigel and Jo's instructions were excellent, but the material they used was a few shades darker than the original. Also, I'd like to trim the B-pillars - they're in nasty black shiney grained plastic as standard - not hugely attractive, but there again, not usually that noticeable.

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    Re: Hard Top Headaches

    Post by S67SOK » Thu May 10, 2012 12:14 pm

    Thanks Brian - ill have a furk about !

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    Re: Hard Top Headaches

    Post by Tipper » Thu May 10, 2012 1:39 pm

    I investigated the correct fabric but couldn't find anything at a good price and was concerned that the adhesive used may stain through. In the end I relined mine with black leather look vinyl. Looks good to me. Easy job too if you don't mind Evostik fumes!

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    Post by Softly~Softly » Thu May 10, 2012 1:48 pm

    Tipper wrote:I investigated the correct fabric but couldn't find anything at a good price and was concerned that the adhesive used may stain through. In the end I relined mine with black leather look vinyl. Looks good to me. Easy job too if you don't mind Evostik fumes!
    Have you got any photos please ?
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    Re: Hard Top Headaches

    Post by Rob Bell » Thu May 10, 2012 1:50 pm

    Leather look vinyl's a good idea. Might see whether I can get some pale grey. Where did you get yours? Sometimes see this stuff at car shows...?

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    Post by Malcbox » Thu May 10, 2012 9:36 pm

    Something like this, maybe?

    I work in aircraft interior refurbishment and we use a product from e-Leather. Natch, being aircraft standard you can add a couple of zeros to the price, but we occasionally swip end of line partial rolls; I might be able to salvage a few meters.

    On the downside, the most popular interior trim of a commercial airliner is a shade of blue......

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    Re: Hard Top Headaches

    Post by nigelandjo » Thu May 10, 2012 10:00 pm

    We bought the black as the trader at the NEC Classic Car Show didn't have any grey with them, but they did say that they had grey, so it is available. You just need to track it down... As our interior is black the black matches the rest of the interior.
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    Re: Hard Top Headaches

    Post by Rob Bell » Fri May 11, 2012 10:27 am

    Malcbox wrote:Something like this, maybe?

    I work in aircraft interior refurbishment and we use a product from e-Leather. Natch, being aircraft standard you can add a couple of zeros to the price, but we occasionally swip end of line partial rolls; I might be able to salvage a few meters.

    On the downside, the most popular interior trim of a commercial airliner is a shade of blue......
    That link is very interesting - there's a navy blue there that could be perfect for re-trimming the seat centres on our Royal Blue coloured ZTT! :thumbsu:

    I'll contact them and see whether I can get some colour samples :)

    Back to the head lining - if you do ever get some light grey in Malc, then yes, I'd definitely be interested! :)
    nigelandjo wrote:We bought the black as the trader at the NEC Classic Car Show didn't have any grey with them, but they did say that they had grey, so it is available. You just need to track it down... As our interior is black the black matches the rest of the interior.
    I'll check out the stands at MG Live and see what's available 8-)

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    Re: Hard Top Headaches

    Post by Malcbox » Sat May 12, 2012 9:32 am

    Glad I could help; there's plenty more suppliers out there - Google "Leather Cloth" for a bigger choice.

    The only colour we have scheduled to go is a rather milky silver grey; PM me if you want a swatch in an envelope.

    And just so it's clear, the typo in the OM is SKIP end of line rolls, not swipe end of line rolls - wouldn't want to give the impression that there was anything illegal going on Image

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    Re: Hard Top Headaches

    Post by GazMG » Sun May 13, 2012 7:37 pm

    The Range, if you have any of those stores locally guys, does some great leatherette/vinyl stuff at very sensible prices.

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    Re: Hard Top Headaches

    Post by MGBev » Fri May 25, 2012 3:23 pm

    Dingbat wrote:Hi, there.

    The latest issue of FasTForward gives a good "how to" on replacing the hard top lining - well done Nigel and Jo.

    The connector for the Heated Rear Window is buried under the rear shelf carpet on the passenger side. All the wiring is (or should be) there and, you're right, you just need a switch and relay.

    HTH

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    Hi Brian
    can you get back copies of FasTForward? Not subscribed as yet. My lining has come down a little near one of the catches. It was in the garage hanging up about a fortnight when we had that heatwave earlier in the year. I don't know to the garage roof leaking and it doesn't look like it's had water on it elsewhere, but there is a mark where the lining has come away from the roof. Does that make sense? :?
    cheers
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    Re: Hard Top Headaches

    Post by Rich in Vancouver » Fri May 25, 2012 4:52 pm

    I recently got a hard top from Japan and it came with a nasty shiny black headliner.
    Fitting a grey replacement is on my list of things to do before winter.

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    Re: Hard Top Headaches

    Post by Dingbat » Fri May 25, 2012 5:48 pm

    Hi, Bev.

    The headlining article is in the last edition, so you should be able to get a copy.

    Try this link:

    http://www.mgfregister.org/fastforward/current

    You really should subscribe - it's money well spent!

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      Post by Dingbat » Fri May 25, 2012 5:50 pm

      Just noticed that this link SAYS current issue, but actually illustrates the spring 2011 issue.

      Not sure what's going on there.

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        Re: Hard Top Headaches

        Post by MGBev » Tue May 29, 2012 10:45 am

        Thanks Brian - will take a look

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        Post by Dieter K » Tue May 29, 2012 11:23 am

        Dingbat wrote:Hi, Bev.

        The headlining article is in the last edition, so you should be able to get a copy.

        Try this link:

        http://www.mgfregister.org/fastforward/current

        You really should subscribe - it's money well spent!

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        Re: Hard Top Headaches

        Post by cath's mg » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:36 pm

        Hope this reply is not to late.
        We have just relined our hard top and managed to get the Headlining from a local friendly scrap yard ( yep thats right friendly).
        Only cost a fiver :D . Just need to make sure you find a donor car with a big enough roof.
        We used Homebase carpet tile spray adhesive which didnt seep through at all, and stuck like s**t to a blanket.

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        Re: Hard Top Headaches

        Post by S67SOK » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:57 pm

        Interesting Idea and thanks.

        My plan though now is to putchase some cream material to match door cards and seats ( from a Mk1) and 'do' the whole of the headlining and side pillars. I think that will make it lighter and more 'together'.

        all the best jeremy

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