MG TF : deactivate power steering
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MG TF : deactivate power steering
Had the chance to drive an mk1 Elise and found the steering and the feedback from the direction a lot better compared to the TF. For me the difference is mosly due to the fact, that the Elise has no power steering.
Am I correct presuming the TF power steering is an electric one and independent from speed. So it should be possible to activate or desactivate the power steering with the help of a simple switch, or would I need some other parts?
Thanks for feedback.
Am I correct presuming the TF power steering is an electric one and independent from speed. So it should be possible to activate or desactivate the power steering with the help of a simple switch, or would I need some other parts?
Thanks for feedback.
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Re: MG TF : deactivate power steering
Wait until someone else confirms but from memory you can just pop the fuse out
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Re: MG TF : deactivate power steering
You could just pull the fuse but that will bring the dash warning light, the circuit you need from the good Doctors site is here: http://www.mgf.ultimatemg.com/group2/DI ... bypass.htm
This should work for the TF up until 2003MY (model year) and may still work after that point as the electrical systems and loom changed for 2004MY
This should work for the TF up until 2003MY (model year) and may still work after that point as the electrical systems and loom changed for 2004MY
Re: MG TF : deactivate power steering
Thanks a lot. I'll first pull the fuse and drive the TF for a while. If the effect meets my expectations, I'll put the permanent solution with the bypass in place. Thanks a lot.
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Re: MG TF : deactivate power steering
Good idea!
For Project Shed, I went the whole hog and ditched the all EPAS hardware and fitted a non-EPAS steering column (surprisingly difficult to find!). Saved over 6kg in weight in the process though.
For Project Shed, I went the whole hog and ditched the all EPAS hardware and fitted a non-EPAS steering column (surprisingly difficult to find!). Saved over 6kg in weight in the process though.
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Re: MG TF : deactivate power steering
But isn't the EPAS speed sensitive anyway?
My understanding is that it is deactivated at speeds above 30 mph, hence the connection to the EPAS ECU from the speed sensor..
My understanding is that it is deactivated at speeds above 30 mph, hence the connection to the EPAS ECU from the speed sensor..
Re: MG TF : deactivate power steering
@Rob
That would be the ultimate solution. By chance, you don't have a serial number handy of the non-EPAS steering column?
@Tipper
To be honest I'm not sure if it desactivates automaticaly. Compared to an Elise, the steering on my TF needs no effort at any speed and the feedback could be better. By the way, I still have the spare wheel in the front boot.
That would be the ultimate solution. By chance, you don't have a serial number handy of the non-EPAS steering column?
@Tipper
To be honest I'm not sure if it desactivates automaticaly. Compared to an Elise, the steering on my TF needs no effort at any speed and the feedback could be better. By the way, I still have the spare wheel in the front boot.
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Re: MG TF : deactivate power steering
My understanding of it is that the steering ratio was reduced from the non-EPAS cars making it more direct when EPAS was fitted.
I have driven my F without the fuse and it works fine, just damn heavy to park. For track days I am seriously considering running without the fuse in.
I suppose it depends how often you go to the shops compared to open highway driving.
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember from somewhere that the TF steering ratio is one step more direct that the F
so it could get quite heavy.
However I do just love the instant steering response when you flick the car the other way at 20 mph and the power steering does the hard work for you.
I have driven my F without the fuse and it works fine, just damn heavy to park. For track days I am seriously considering running without the fuse in.
I suppose it depends how often you go to the shops compared to open highway driving.
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember from somewhere that the TF steering ratio is one step more direct that the F
so it could get quite heavy.
However I do just love the instant steering response when you flick the car the other way at 20 mph and the power steering does the hard work for you.
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Re: MG TF : deactivate power steering
The Shed runs the even faster TF rack with a non-EPAS steering column I use sticky tyres too, but the car does weigh a little less than standard, so I don't find that the steering loads are too bad. But yes, it reminds me of an early 90s hot hatch (I had a Mk2 Golf GTI and a Peugeot 205 GTi back in the day) to park!
I don't think I do have the part number ppo - but have a look at one of the electronic parts catalogues to see whether you can find it...
I don't think I do have the part number ppo - but have a look at one of the electronic parts catalogues to see whether you can find it...
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Re: MG TF : deactivate power steering
Oh, and yes, EPAS is speed sensitive, and supposedly switches off at over about 50mph, but there is a discernible difference between the EPAS being on and being actually switched off by cutting the power - I wonder whether although the EPAS column motor is not actually "assisting" at speed, it probably turns with a steering input so as not to drag - and this "non-assistance" damps the feel through the column.
BTW, easily the biggest change to steering feel I found was swapping the MGF steering rack for the TF one. There is much less "slack" in the TF rack - manufactured with tighter tolerances perhaps? No idea...
BTW, easily the biggest change to steering feel I found was swapping the MGF steering rack for the TF one. There is much less "slack" in the TF rack - manufactured with tighter tolerances perhaps? No idea...
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Re: MG TF : deactivate power steering
Did the trick, mentioned by Chris, of an EPAS switch over a dozen years ago, and you're right Pascal, the feeling in the steering is a lot better without EPAS.
Using the switch and a relais stops the red light from shining in your face all the time in contrast to detaching the fuse. Finding a spare place for the switch might be more of a problem on a car that has all extras fitted from new. Mine is hidden on the left side under the steering column.
MIND: On an F there are downsides to eliminating EPAS that will be even bigger on a TF: The early non EPAS F's had a different ratio in the steering rack compared to the F. they need more rotations of the steering wheel to make the same turn. Lateron the TF even had a more direct steering. If you eliminate EPAS it will result in a more heavy steering.
I appreciate the direct non-EPAS steering a lot but on hairpins it does slow you down as the strength and power you need to turn the car is to big to be fast enough. (MGF Mk1) So on some of your Fantastic Luxembourg roads you'll regret switching EPAS off. On other stretches...... WOW!
Using the switch and a relais stops the red light from shining in your face all the time in contrast to detaching the fuse. Finding a spare place for the switch might be more of a problem on a car that has all extras fitted from new. Mine is hidden on the left side under the steering column.
MIND: On an F there are downsides to eliminating EPAS that will be even bigger on a TF: The early non EPAS F's had a different ratio in the steering rack compared to the F. they need more rotations of the steering wheel to make the same turn. Lateron the TF even had a more direct steering. If you eliminate EPAS it will result in a more heavy steering.
I appreciate the direct non-EPAS steering a lot but on hairpins it does slow you down as the strength and power you need to turn the car is to big to be fast enough. (MGF Mk1) So on some of your Fantastic Luxembourg roads you'll regret switching EPAS off. On other stretches...... WOW!
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Re: MG TF : deactivate power steering
Thanks Kasper for your feedback. I did a test without the fuse and the steering was amazing. I'll defenately try to get the circuit working.