F Suspension HydroGas replacements
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F Suspension HydroGas replacements
Copy of Email from Suplex.
F Suspension HydroGas replacements:
Our SUPLEX SUSPENSION conversion to the MGF is pretty well as described by Roger Parker in the MGOC magazine.
My first involvement with the MGF was assisting in the set up of the Trophy cars with Wynn Mitchell. These cars still running Hydrogas of course were restricted to damper tuning work only. At that time I was Technical Director of Eibach and we had a high tech race damper programme. The MGF race series was the first series to use those dampers.
It wasn’t long before I became heavily involved in the development of the coil sprung MGTF with the development engineers from MG-Rover.
Later I was to be thrown down the challenge of developing this conversion. Having been told it was impossible. I set out to prove that wrong. Also by this time I had set up the business centre of SUPLEX GmbH the German specialist suspension companies UK operation as managing director. I was approached by Caterpillar’s MG-ROVER spares division who were desperately seeking Hydrogas units as the supply was completely at an end to develop an alternative. This prompted the completion of the project which I’d had in embryo state for some time.
Where we are now is having two prototype car sets available. One on our own development car and one which will be fitted as a feature article to come out shortly taking the reader through all the steps in performing the conversion.
Essentially this conversion is designed to salvage a car when the Hydrogas fails and no replacement can be found. Whilst the concept and construction lends it’s self to further tuning work, in its base form that is not the intention. It is designed to replicate as nearly as possible the characteristics of a standard MGF.
It was also intended that the completed design would require no modification work at all and that the conversion could be fitted quickly with simple tools. This we have achieved.
In order to achieve realist costs we are having to produce the parts we need in very large quantities, minimum one thousand pieces at a time. Hence we need to gauge interest at this time.
We are now confident there is a demand and are putting our first volume pieces into product during August 2010. We anticipate having the kit available in November 2010.
Our target retail price for the complete conversion is £850.00 + VAT
Which will include two front and two rear conversion canisters plus two front and two rear dampers. We expect to make these available at this price from recognised MG specialists.
Dan White
Managing Director - Suplex UK Ltd
uksales@suplex.com
01909 770660
F Suspension HydroGas replacements:
Our SUPLEX SUSPENSION conversion to the MGF is pretty well as described by Roger Parker in the MGOC magazine.
My first involvement with the MGF was assisting in the set up of the Trophy cars with Wynn Mitchell. These cars still running Hydrogas of course were restricted to damper tuning work only. At that time I was Technical Director of Eibach and we had a high tech race damper programme. The MGF race series was the first series to use those dampers.
It wasn’t long before I became heavily involved in the development of the coil sprung MGTF with the development engineers from MG-Rover.
Later I was to be thrown down the challenge of developing this conversion. Having been told it was impossible. I set out to prove that wrong. Also by this time I had set up the business centre of SUPLEX GmbH the German specialist suspension companies UK operation as managing director. I was approached by Caterpillar’s MG-ROVER spares division who were desperately seeking Hydrogas units as the supply was completely at an end to develop an alternative. This prompted the completion of the project which I’d had in embryo state for some time.
Where we are now is having two prototype car sets available. One on our own development car and one which will be fitted as a feature article to come out shortly taking the reader through all the steps in performing the conversion.
Essentially this conversion is designed to salvage a car when the Hydrogas fails and no replacement can be found. Whilst the concept and construction lends it’s self to further tuning work, in its base form that is not the intention. It is designed to replicate as nearly as possible the characteristics of a standard MGF.
It was also intended that the completed design would require no modification work at all and that the conversion could be fitted quickly with simple tools. This we have achieved.
In order to achieve realist costs we are having to produce the parts we need in very large quantities, minimum one thousand pieces at a time. Hence we need to gauge interest at this time.
We are now confident there is a demand and are putting our first volume pieces into product during August 2010. We anticipate having the kit available in November 2010.
Our target retail price for the complete conversion is £850.00 + VAT
Which will include two front and two rear conversion canisters plus two front and two rear dampers. We expect to make these available at this price from recognised MG specialists.
Dan White
Managing Director - Suplex UK Ltd
uksales@suplex.com
01909 770660
Last edited by AndyG on Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
I read this with interest Andy in the MGOC mag
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
Thx Andy! I experienced the words of Roger Parker in Enjoying MG and at his talk during MGF15 as very promising. Now the next surprise by Mr White! We only have to wait and test drive by ourselves to get convinced this is the new development to keep the MGF on the road for a long, long time....
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
Looking forward to. I still am on the first set of hydragas displacers at my silver MGF.
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
IIRC, the MGOC magazine stated a target price of £800 and nothing about inc/excl. VAT. This is becoming quite expensive and might be available too late, as I spotted some green stained traces on the rear LH suspension arm and have recently dumped two of my Spax shocks as they were faulty during the outbound (keeping the car on the bumpstops).
Are there any details on the shocks they use ?
Are there any details on the shocks they use ?
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
As suggested in MGOC Mag, Email them and register an interest to keep the process going forward.AndyG wrote:Copy of Email from Suplex.
F Suspension HydroGas replacements:
In order to achieve realist costs we are having to produce the parts we need in very large quantities, minimum one thousand pieces at a time. Hence we need to gauge interest at this time.
Dan White
Managing Director - Suplex UK Ltd
sales@suplex.com
01909 770660
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ZTT SE 400 SHM Block. "Super Brick"
ZS 180 Trophy Blue x 2
Triumph SpeedTriple 955i
ZTT SE 400 SHM Block. "Super Brick"
ZS 180 Trophy Blue x 2
Triumph SpeedTriple 955i
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
Give then a ring or I can for you as I would be interested.ErikB wrote:
Are there any details on the shocks they use ?
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
I have e-mailed them to register an interest (even though I don't need them just yet)
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
Well done, The more interest the better it will be.Reckless Rat wrote:I have e-mailed them to register an interest (even though I don't need them just yet)
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ZS 180 Trophy Blue x 2
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ZS 180 Trophy Blue x 2
Triumph SpeedTriple 955i
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
e-mail, inluding my question about the shocks sent.
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
I tried to send an E-mail to Dan to register my interest but all E-mails come back rejected!
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
I have just sent this:
It seems to have gone through.
Dear Dan
I have placed a thread on the MGFRegister
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5698
There seems a chalenge with the Email, I hope this one goes through.
What Shocks are you suggesting with the kit?
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It seems to have gone through.
Dear Dan
I have placed a thread on the MGFRegister
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5698
There seems a chalenge with the Email, I hope this one goes through.
What Shocks are you suggesting with the kit?
AndyG
07nine70 78996six
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ZTT SE 400 SHM Block. "Super Brick"
ZS 180 Trophy Blue x 2
Triumph SpeedTriple 955i
ZTT SE 400 SHM Block. "Super Brick"
ZS 180 Trophy Blue x 2
Triumph SpeedTriple 955i
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
New shocks are included in the kit as they are matched with the springs. Nevertheless it would be good to know if they are of good quality or replaceable by upgraded ones.......AndyG wrote: What Shocks are you suggesting with the kit?
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MGFvvc - 90FVBG - charcoal - you might think it is original - (1996 nr:8204)
MGTF 120 - 57RNJ7 - BRG - every day is an MG day - (2005)
MGC CGT - SJ08DY - tartan red - 1985 restauration fairly original - (1968 nr: 4137)
http://www.MGF.be
MGTF 120 - 57RNJ7 - BRG - every day is an MG day - (2005)
MGC CGT - SJ08DY - tartan red - 1985 restauration fairly original - (1968 nr: 4137)
http://www.MGF.be
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Would echo. The same with me since sunday.Andrew Regens wrote:I tried to send an E-mail to Dan to register my interest but all E-mails come back rejected!
Server said *User doesn't exist*. Email rejected.
I used 4 different accounts including my company account, so don't tell me it's due to suspect sender.
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
Try this
uksales@suplex.com
I recieved a reply and this is just part
In order to achieve realist costs we are having to produce the parts we need in very large quantities, minimum one thousand pieces at a time. Hence we need to gauge interest at this time.
We are now confident there is a demand and are putting our first volume pieces into product during August 2010. We anticipate having the kit available in November 2010.
Our target retail price for the complete conversion is £850.00 + VAT
Which will include two front and two rear conversion canisters plus two front and two rear dampers. We expect to make these available at this price from recognised MG specialists.
uksales@suplex.com
I recieved a reply and this is just part
In order to achieve realist costs we are having to produce the parts we need in very large quantities, minimum one thousand pieces at a time. Hence we need to gauge interest at this time.
We are now confident there is a demand and are putting our first volume pieces into product during August 2010. We anticipate having the kit available in November 2010.
Our target retail price for the complete conversion is £850.00 + VAT
Which will include two front and two rear conversion canisters plus two front and two rear dampers. We expect to make these available at this price from recognised MG specialists.
Piper 4-2-1 Manifold, Daytona Back Box, Stage two Remap, Bilstein Shocks, thicker anti roll bars, PG 1 gearbox Caged bearing with type B Ltd Slip Diff. Large rear brake Kit, Toyo R888R Track/road tyres. Half Roll Cage, 4Point Harness.
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
Look out for Brown and Gammons advertising these in due course I suspect! Very sensible IMO
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
Does anyone have any updated information on the availability of these units please?
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
For those who are interested, Clive Berry of Suplex UK has just informed me the replacement units are currently being manufactured and should be available in February 2011.
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
thats good newsRoffensis wrote:For those who are interested, Clive Berry of Suplex UK has just informed me the replacement units are currently being manufactured and should be available in February 2011.
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Re: F Suspension HydroGas replacements
I wonder whether they'll be doing up-rated "sports" or "trophy" spec in due course?