OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th)
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Not many rules really, this board being aimed at technical issues, it shouldn't fall foul (hopefully) of some of the more personal issues that can affect forums.
Rule 1 - Is that you need to think very carefully before posting anything technical or asking anything technical relating to the security system of the car - See 'Security Issues' sticky for more info.
Rule 2 - We (MGF Register) do not support copyright infringement and therefore references to CD ROM, PDF versions or paper copies of the workshop manual (for instance) should not be posted on the forum. We don't want to get into trouble and we'd rather sell you a genuine hard copy through our Regalia shop anyway!
Because advice is honestly and freely given in this technical section, much of it will be amateur experienced based, so any information is given in good faith and is not guaranteed as correct.
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
Just picked up another investor from dot.org, 15 needed now.
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
Okay, finally made my mind up to register on Kickstarter. That’s another pledge taken on the way to the goal for end of June. I do hope that we all can attract some more interest and raise more backers at MG90 over the weekend.
By the way, I do have a diagnostic tool for MGR and other cars. Sadly due to the lack of a technical counterpart in the industry, there won't be any more development in the future. But your project is work in progress and I see many more features to come in the future. Also I appreciate the fnatastic effort you put into this for other enthusiasts. Top job!
And Phillip, my offer to help with localisation is still standing. Maybe not the first priority on your list now, but there’s quite a large target audience here, especially with most of the old dealership having died after 2005 and therefore a massive lack in Testbook equipped garages.
By the way, I do have a diagnostic tool for MGR and other cars. Sadly due to the lack of a technical counterpart in the industry, there won't be any more development in the future. But your project is work in progress and I see many more features to come in the future. Also I appreciate the fnatastic effort you put into this for other enthusiasts. Top job!
And Phillip, my offer to help with localisation is still standing. Maybe not the first priority on your list now, but there’s quite a large target audience here, especially with most of the old dealership having died after 2005 and therefore a massive lack in Testbook equipped garages.
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2004 TF 135 in Monogram Spectre, black leather, RHD
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
I agree Mykel - it's not so much what the device can do now that is interesting (and actually it is actually already very useful in terms of reading/clearing error codes and reading live data from MEMS, ABS, Airbag ECUs), but what it could be used for in future - particularly if those with a software engineering bent can get their hands on it
And yes, as an affordable diagnostic tool for small business, there has to be a usefully sized market for that alone - both here in the UK and in Europe?
I'm shaking the piggy bank to get one!
And yes, as an affordable diagnostic tool for small business, there has to be a usefully sized market for that alone - both here in the UK and in Europe?
I'm shaking the piggy bank to get one!
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
A few pics from the day as promised
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
I am still quite surprised that none of this showed on the Android app, Torque
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
Ideal for mobile mechanics surely...especially as it shows fault codes that the T300 doesn't...do they know about this?Rob Bell wrote:And yes, as an affordable diagnostic tool for small business, there has to be a usefully sized market for that alone - both here in the UK and .....
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
OK I have what is probably a really dopy question - I can see the advantage of identifying the faults but if, for instance, it says a sensor is faulty, surely eliminating the fault code doesn't eliminate the fault itself?
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
Hi Correct but with a workshop manual which is available from the shop you should be able to change the sensor or at least get someone else to. Ash
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
In general you are correct. Error codes allow you to narrow the fault down, so if a code is associated with one sensor you only need to check the wiring and connectors that go to that one particular sensor and not the whole engine.John SS wrote:OK I have what is probably a really dopy question - I can see the advantage of identifying the faults but if, for instance, it says a sensor is faulty, surely eliminating the fault code doesn't eliminate the fault itself?
That said it seems on the 75/ZT that if the airbag light comes on it seems to stay on even after the actual fault is no longer present (I'm not a 75 expert though so if someone disagrees I will bow to their experience). So say you unplug an airbag, maybe you remove a seat or something, and turn on the ignition then the warning light will come on and won't go off even after you plug the airbag back in. In this case the tool will put the light out and so you could say it is eliminating the fault.
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
Pledged this morning
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
Having a fault code is useful (if not always!) - to provide an example, when Project Shed returned from Tech-speed it was running well, but had an uneven idle and the exhaust had a petrol smell suggesting an overly-rich mixture. Perplexed, I connected up a diagnostic tool, and found that the vacuum sensor (Mean Air Pressure sensor) was out of kilter - which could be explained by a detached vacuum line. So I checked, and low and behold - found a detached vacuum line. I plugged it back in, problem solved, and fault went away...
Fault codes provide clues as to what is going on. It isn't often that a fault code means "change part x to solve problem", but in combination with live data and knowing what the symptoms are and how they started, it is possible to track down the real problem
As Philip says, his tool can also extinguish warning lamps once the problem is fixed - and that can be the difference between an MoT fail and an MoT pass...
Fault codes provide clues as to what is going on. It isn't often that a fault code means "change part x to solve problem", but in combination with live data and knowing what the symptoms are and how they started, it is possible to track down the real problem
As Philip says, his tool can also extinguish warning lamps once the problem is fixed - and that can be the difference between an MoT fail and an MoT pass...
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
I would if I could find the linkradiomarty wrote:Pledged this morning
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
Try this James..talkingcars wrote:I would if I could find the linkradiomarty wrote:Pledged this morning
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/17 ... nd-mg-cars
and it's funded!!!!...well done chaps....over to you Philip....
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
Now you've got your work cut out!
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
Congrats! Was a long way to go yesterday when I pledged - amazed to see how quick it finished off!
How long until we start to receive the finished shipped units? - no rush - just wondering
How long until we start to receive the finished shipped units? - no rush - just wondering
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
I think September was the date mentioned on the Kickstarter website?
Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
Yes. Interfaces will be shipped in September.
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
Phillip
Congratulations on your progress
I have already been asked by one of my fellow Canadians if your system will operate with an MG RV8.more marketing potential for here UK and Australia.
I have already lodged my pledge on Kickstart and would like it shipped to me in Canada and not my UK address... time for that later
I am unsure whether the RV8 used a form of MEMS, ERIC or other system in the ECU
Congratulations on your progress
I have already been asked by one of my fellow Canadians if your system will operate with an MG RV8.more marketing potential for here UK and Australia.
I have already lodged my pledge on Kickstart and would like it shipped to me in Canada and not my UK address... time for that later
I am unsure whether the RV8 used a form of MEMS, ERIC or other system in the ECU
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Re: OBD Socket (and details of MGF technical day - June 15th
According to the menus in my Bosch KTS the RV8 is a MEMS1.9 or MEMS2J.
I don't think that I believe it though.
I don't think that I believe it though.