Volcano numbers?

[terreneuve]

Do any of the "VIN Guru's" know how many Volcano cars were produced in LHD in either 1.8mpi or VVC??

To add to the question which VIN was first and last for the colour??

John

[colintf]

Hi John, I expect Dave, Adrian or Dieter may be able to help

[jaydoginvasion]

Interesting link till you get a an exact answer
http://www.mg-rover.info/mgf.htm?

[colintf]

Interesting link till you get a an exact answer
http://www.mg-rover.info/mgf.htm?

But is it totally accurate?? Then there's parts 2 and 3 of the question asked

[terreneuve]

Yes, I have looked at that site but from what I have heard it is not overly accurate and it does not break down RHD vs LHD either.

I'm sure one of the Gurus will have the answers??

John

[adrianclifford]

I'll sort it out for you this evening John, I'm on my way to work soon.

[terreneuve]

Thanks Adrian!

[RU58ALL]

Interesting link .. i wonder how many of the 117,785 F & TF's are still on the road?

[Charless]

From memory of a similar question being asked years ago: 74 VVCs and about 360 MPis.

[terreneuve]

From memory of a similar question being asked years ago: 74 VVCs and about 360 MPis.

Bu,t those numbers haven't been broken down into LHD/RHD!

[adrianclifford]

John, sorry it's taken a while but I've been busy as usual.

I have checked the data twice and (unless I'm wrong) it shows a difference to the 448 quoted by one of the other groups.

There are 411 production MGF's built in Volcano :

There are 244 mpi's, the first being SARRDWBGBAD001719 built on 23/11/95 and exported to Cyprus. The last mpi is SARRDWBGMXD502151 built on 16/10/98 and exported to Germany.

There are 167 vvc's, the first being SARRDWBTCAD000071 built on 19/07/95 and it's a GB car. The last vvc is SARRDWBTNAD018626 built on 23/12/96 and exported to the Lebanon.

Therefore the data shows 411 Volcanos built between July 1995 and October 1998.

[terreneuve]

Thanks Adrian, I knew you were busy so no rush!

Interesting, there must be some glitches in the data as Rich's VVC Volcano is 022560 and according to the "other clubs" VIN database was built March 27,1997.

Is it possible (or too difficult) to differentiate how many LHD versus RHD??

John

[adrianclifford]

Hi John, Yes there is a glitch in the data.

Digging further I can tell you that there are :

283 RHD cars delivered to Cyprus, Great Britain, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Singapore, Ireland, India, Bermuda, Macau, Brunei, Malta, Australia, Thailand, Japan and Germany (British Forces I guess).

128 LHD cars delivered to Portugal, Germany, Netherlands, Canary Islands, France, Great Britain (3), Spain, Croatia, Belgium, Lebanon, Tanzania, Switzerland and Greece.

Now here comes the glitch, Rich's car was indeed built on the 27/03/97 but does not appear on the list of Volcano cars because the column that contains the colours has blanks and Rich's car has no colour defined so it's off to a different list of cars (which is usually unreliable as I have found when tracing the one off cars). This list shows 447 cars in Volcano, however looking in to it I find Rich's car is not on that list. So the true answer to how many is a mystery, in fact there are a large number of cars described as Volcano but are Abingdon LE's !, according to the data. I don't think accurate colour records were kept in the mid to late 1990's

[terreneuve]

Thanks Adrian!

So, I would assume the numbers for Abingdon LE's are off too as the colour is not listed on the VIN data for Japanese cars and quite a few Abingdon LE's went to Japan.

John

[adrianclifford]

Yes John, Abingdon data is terrible as there are swathes of Volcano F's in the Abingdon build data but saying that, being with Dieter all weekend, he has an extraordinary amount of different source information so I have asked him to look in to this as MGF MK1 info is quite wrong in places. MK2 and TF info is very good, I think it all depends on how the records were formulated and transferred in the first place.

[terreneuve]

With regards to Abingdon LE's , any idea how far off the numbers are. Last I remember 250 MPi and 150 VVC. But not sure if that's only UK models!
John

[adrianclifford]

I'll have a look John via the vin data and paint look up, luckily Abingdon's are exclusive in that one colour (and not Volcano !). It will be later as I'm on a short break from work at the moment before I go back.

[adrianclifford]

Here we go John, it's not easy, maybe not fully correct either but until Dieter can confirm by his alternative data I can suggest this :

Enter Brooklands Green and you get 190 cars all mpi's and all exports.
Enter Abingdon and you get 10,879 cars in all colours (6,974 mpi's and 3,905 vvc's). Included in this under the disguise of Abingdon are 6,482 limited editions and UK special enhanced.

So this is obviously wrong, I've gone to separate data I've had for years and found :

1,795 mpi Abingdon's and 356 vvc Abingdon's all built between Q4 1997 and Q3 1998, totalling 2,151 cars. Way above 500 but I never really believed 500 anyway.

[terreneuve]

OK, last test!

VIN of first and last Abingdon LE's!

John

[adrianclifford]

Again, I would need Dieter for that John as the data I would need is the historic MGR version, which I know is wrong. I can give you the first and last but as this states only 190 cars I doubt it's credibility.

Hurry up and buy some MGF Mk2's will you, the data on them is good